Recent Russian Outrage. The end of Muslim terroism??

**reason** · September 7th, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Ickey:
Reason, sometimes I think you are really the moron that Trav makes you out to be.

After the 9/11 attacks, I was outraged over the fact that SUDDENLY America was outraged about terrorism. I mentioned auch things as the Beirut bombings and pushing men in wheelchairs off boats.

You want to talk about outrage, you want to know who was in Somalia around the time of Black Hawk Down? Me.

You want to know who was in Haiti when we tried to put Aristide back in there? Me.

But all that stuff didn't seem to matter much at the time, not until 9/11 was the American public outraged. We should have been outraged decades ago. But, since we are Americans and it didn't happen to us, we didn't care. The Cole bombing? I lost a friend on that ship. The rest of the world got a peek into American thinking following 9/11, a peek that told them we weren't interested until you hit us.

And for the record, where the hell did I attribute ANYTHING to you? I do believe attribution would mean that I specifically stated your name, which was never done.

Why don't you just stop and develop some reading skills Ickey? Did I EVER say it started at 9-11? NO I DID NOT.

So STOP IT! You're being a first class dipshit. You can correct this problem by learning to read.

I think gae started us off just right by citing a number of events that happened long before 2001 (INCLUDING THE COLE, BTW). Why did you miss this, and why do you persist in missing stuff that was clearly posted?

Talk about being out in right field picking the dandelions.

[ September 07, 2004 11:03 AM: Message edited by: reason ]

**Sluggo** · September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM

Ickey - Please speak for yourself, only. I am outraged by any violence. But violence against children particularly makes me sick.

**Sean Pa** · September 7th, 2004, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by reason:

Where have you been the last 15 years, dickhead? People have been bombed, beheaded, shot, bombed again...and you just now are outraged?

Just now?

What kind of ingnorant, uneducated, uncompassionate fool are you? And why do you think you have some monopoly for compassion? And why just now?

My threshold for compassion was breached years ago. Yours, just now.

You've got a whole in your heart the size of Europe and the brain the size of a pea.

[ September 07, 2004 10:46 AM: Message edited by: reason ][/QB]

One word IRA funded entirley by Americans AND FUCKING NOW TERROISM OUTRAGES YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS.
I might have a brain the size of a pea but common sense is free here dipshit

**reason** · September 7th, 2004, 02:01 PM

Where have you been the last 15 years, dickhead? People have been bombed, beheaded, shot, bombed again...and you just now are outraged?

Apparently Ickey thinks 9-11 happened 15 years ago.

**Sean Pa** · September 7th, 2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by reason:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sean Pa:
well lost for words seems an appropriate phrase.

Well, why don't you take you lazy fat ass back to the pub where you can spend yet another day wasting your unemployment check.<hr /></blockquote>Best idea you ever had BOY

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**Sluggo** · September 7th, 2004, 02:05 PM

Ickey - Back in 1990, my son was/is still white and he ranked in the top 2% of his class, was the best marksman in the class and was made a cop BUT he is HONEST. You forgot to say you have to be DISHONEST to make the grade. It is truly sad.

**reason** · September 7th, 2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Sean Pa:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by reason:

Where have you been the last 15 years, dickhead? People have been bombed, beheaded, shot, bombed again...and you just now are outraged?

Just now?

What kind of ingnorant, uneducated, uncompassionate fool are you? And why do you think you have some monopoly for compassion? And why just now?

My threshold for compassion was breached years ago. Yours, just now.

You've got a whole in your heart the size of Europe and the brain the size of a pea.

[ September 07, 2004 10:46 AM: Message edited by: reason ]

One word IRA funded entirley by Americans AND FUCKING NOW TERROISM OUTRAGES YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS.
I might have a brain the size of a pea but common sense is free here dipshit[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>You may find this hard to believe, but the terrorism of Northern Ireland was most definitely a topic broached in my Catholic grade school and high school.

If money is coming from America, it's coming from their Irish Catholic brethern who left to get out of the hellhole. Not that I condone the violence nor its support, but nor do I condone a stupid ass parade that celebrates 400 plus years of repression and planned starvation.

Besides, your point - or lack thereof - now seems to be that because you perceive lack of caring from America for terrorism in Northern Ireland, lack of care for Muslim terrorism up to this point is ok.

[ September 07, 2004 11:22 AM: Message edited by: reason ]

**travelinman** · September 7th, 2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Ickey:

But all that stuff didn't seem to matter much at the time, not until 9/11 was the American public outraged. We should have been outraged decades ago. But, since we are Americans and it didn't happen to us, we didn't care. The Cole bombing? I lost a friend on that ship. The rest of the world got a peek into American thinking following 9/11, a peek that told them we weren't interested until you hit us.

TERRORISM: Past, Present & Future.

by B. Raman

(Copy of a paper for presentation at a conference on terrorism organised by the Institute For Peace and Conflict Studies, New Delhi, on December 16 and 17, 2002 )

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The pre-9/11 debate on the theme freedom-fighters vs terrorists has largely lost its relevance due to the traumatic experience of the international community after the horrendous acts of 9/11 and thereafter in different parts of the world. There is now growing realisation in the world that the past attempts to rationalise the acts of terrorism of the organisations with national liberation as their objective by describing them as freedom-struggle have only played into the hands of terrorists. The cliche that one nation's terrorist is another nation's freedom-fighter, which was in vogue till the early 1980s, has been questioned seriously since the 1983 car bomb explosion in Beirut in which a large number of US Marines were killed. George Bush , the father of the present US President and the then Vice-President, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan as the Chairman of a Presidential Task Force on Terrorism, formulated the first clear distinction between freedom-fighters and terrorists in 1988. He said that any group or organisation, which deliberately targeted innocent civilians, could not be categorised as freedom-fighters and had to be treated as terrorists. This distinction found increasing acceptance thereafter, particularly after the terrorists fighting for their so-called national liberation relied more and more on explosive devices instead of hand-held weapons in order to cause the maximum number of casualties amongst the civilians and shake the confidence of the people in the ability of the State to protect them. After the use of explosives by terrorists against the US Army barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996 and against the US naval ship USS Cole in Aden in October 2000, this distinction has been further amplified by the US to precise that attacks on armed military personnel and installations would also constitute acts of terrorism if they take place in an area outside a zone of conflict. The US State Department's annual report on the Patterns of Global Terrorism during 2000 said: " We also consider as acts of terrorism attacks on military installations or on armed military personnel when a state of military hostilities does not exist at the site. " After 9/11, there is unanimous agreement in the international community that terrorism should not be tolerated whatever be the cause.

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**Sean Pa** · September 7th, 2004, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by reason[/QB]

You may find this hard to believe, but the terrorism of Northern Ireland was most definitely a topic broached in my Catholic grade school and high school.

If money is coming from America, it's coming from their Irish Catholic brethern who left to get out of the hellhole. Not that I condone the violence nor its support, but I don't condone a stupid ass parade that celebrates 400 plus years of repression and planned starvation.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Is that finally the voice of reason??